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« Reply #3705 on: May 28, 2013, 03:21:57 PM »

The issue of replacement is related entirely to the software on which the main site runs. It is orphaned and aging. There are bugs that we have been able to fix ourselves, and bugs that are too complicated or risky to mess with.

The discussion about replacing the software dates back a couple of years, to the time when SoFurry was first reincarnated from its previous existence as YiffStar. Osfer, who owns the actual website here, proposed to just close it down and transfer everything to SoFurry. That proposal met with strong resistance from many users here, and he agreed to keep it running if we would take over the day to day management of the site ourselves.

At that time, Claw and Quill was in an early development stage, and was described as a writing and critique site where individual groups of users would be able to discuss and even possibly jointly write works of fiction. It was suggested back in 2011 that when Claw and Quill became reality, it might better suit our users. However, the creation of C&Q as a site has taken a long time, is still incomplete, and as I mentioned, has now changed directions entirely.
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« Reply #3706 on: May 30, 2013, 01:52:19 AM »

That seems to be a fair and honest answer. 

I would think that at this time there are quite a few new software packages that would do what you want done.  I mean it's not a terribly complex site, that's not meant as a put down, it doesn't need to be complex to serve it's purpose.  I guess maybe the question then becomes are enough people interested in it to be worth saving it.  And no this isn't meant as a smart ass question.
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« Reply #3707 on: May 30, 2013, 03:06:07 PM »

Nothing we have found that is designed to do precisely what the present software does. There are of course generic web site products, from Wordpress to Joomla to Drupal. Osfer and I have both looked at Joomla, and I run another website in my daily work that is based on Drupal. The amount of time and effort required for setup and maintenance of Furrag on one of these just wouldn't work for us. I believe Chipotle also considered these three frameworks for Claw & Quill and ultimately rejected them. He is a professional in the website design field, where it is just an amateur sideline for us.
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« Reply #3708 on: May 30, 2013, 10:26:43 PM »

Sorry to hear that.  I have my own business website for my dogs, but that is nothing like one of these sites, so this is beyond my area of expertise.  I just figured that there would be some relatively plug and play software that would work.
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« Reply #3709 on: July 03, 2013, 11:02:06 AM »

That was an impressively precise spambot we got there. Without the links in its first two posts, it would have taken me until the third post to realize it was a bot.
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« Reply #3710 on: July 03, 2013, 02:18:23 PM »

Yeah, they're starting to use artificial "intelligence" but it isn't all that intelligent yet. Bot banned and killed.

We rely on Stop Forum Spam Now to block most of these, but one can slip through occasionally when they are doing maintenance or have network issues.
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« Reply #3711 on: July 04, 2013, 02:48:28 AM »

That doesn't sound good...
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« Reply #3712 on: July 04, 2013, 03:05:24 PM »

Well, it's still obviously spam. What the bot does is take a couple of "keywords" from the heading or the previous message, and then work them into the spam message. So for example in a thread discussing the word "footpaw" it will post:

For a good example of footpaw, see spurious-url-inserted-here.

The URL of course goes to a spam or scam site somewhere.

It's not much better than that stupid Google sidebar ad that picks a noun out of your e-mail and tells you to get a better price for whatever on EBay or to look for widgets at Amazon.
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« Reply #3713 on: July 04, 2013, 03:47:33 PM »

Heh, I remember ads that offered me FULL CRACKED DOWNLOADS, KEYGENS AND SERIALS for free and open source programs…
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« Reply #3714 on: July 20, 2013, 08:40:14 PM »

Poking in again, somewhat late. I need to check here more than quarterly. Smiley

I'm hoping C&Q won't really be another version of Flayrah -- there are obvious similarities and it's proved exasperatingly hard to get interest from potential contributors who aren't either prospective reviewers or hoping to get their work reviewed, but I still think there's a place for a magazine that's a bit more focused than Flayrah is. More Atlantic than Huffington Post, if you will.

I ended up shelving the archive idea because there's simply too much competition in the space. Fur Affinity, SoFurry, Weasyl and InkBunny all support text submissions to varying degrees, and while all of them are imperfect, the first two in particular have a very high audience potential. And SoFurry has actually put a pretty big effort into making stories presentable and, to a greater degree than any of the other sites, discoverable. (There are still issues I have with the way stories get bubbled to the front end behind the scenes, and the focus on tagging is annoying.)

With FurRag, the main thing that keeps me from hanging around here and uploading stories is, as awful as this sounds, the way all the text is centered. Is this really on purpose? If it isn't, surely somebody here has access to the /skins/adobe/style.css file.

In case you're interested in experimenting, I've attached a replacement CSS file for FurRag that makes two changes:

  • Removes the "text-align: center" from div#container, which essentially is an order for "center everything by default."
  • Changes the site's body font to Helvetica rather than Trebuchet to look a little less dated. (Technically, the new font stack is Helvetica Neue, Liberation Sans [an excellent free typeface], and Arial, then a proper default to "system sans serif" if none of those are available--curiously, your current style sheet lacks that default.) It also slightly increases the default font size and leading.
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« Reply #3715 on: July 22, 2013, 12:03:34 AM »

Well, with respect to the other archive sites with much larger audiences, my perception and actual experience over the past eight years or so has been that the audience for textual material there is mere potential, and not particularly real. Porn or erotica will get some readership, nothing else does.

Thanks for the scripting suggestions. Unfortunately, I don't have access at a level that would allow me to replace actual scripts. As far as I know, only Osfer/Alex has that and his attention is directed elsewhere these days.

I thought the centering issue was related to the editor, rather than CSS. The text editor seems to default to centered text unless you select the entire body after it has been pasted or uploaded and respecify left justified text. Osfer/Alex did have that fixed at one point, but I think in the process of relocating to a different provider the patches were overlaid.
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« Reply #3716 on: July 22, 2013, 01:07:17 AM »

I'd agree that as a general rule non-explicit material tends to get a fraction of the page views as explicit material does, but on SoFurry I've still had stories with several hundred views. "Travelling Music" ended up on the "most popular" story list on the front page for a few days.

Anyway, the centering issue is definitely the CSS, because it gets fixed by deleting one line from the CSS. I'm running a thing in Chrome that lets me override site CSS with local changes, so I'll see if it breaks anything. Is Alex really the only person with shell access to the server FurRag's running on?

(And unrelatedly, where did Quinn Yellowfox go? Not that I should really complain about vanishing for long periods of time but it's  bit surprising he has.)
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« Reply #3717 on: July 22, 2013, 01:23:39 AM »

Yes, Alex is the only one with shell level access to the server. He might be willing to give it to me if I asked, but I really don't want it. I don't have the bandwidth here to deal with backing up things over the net, and though I'm quite well versed in basic HTML, I loathe CSS and PHP.

If it was a one-line fix, then that probably is the same fix that Alex applied in the past. Probably when he migrated to the new site, he forgot to re-apply it.

I was at first amused when readers on SoFurry complimented my stories and then followed up by asking me to write erotica for them. That got old pretty quickly, though. Given that SoFurry evolved from the old YiffStar site, which was entirely textual but also almost entirely porn, I'm not particularly surprised at that slant. It just doesn't hold much interest for me.
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« Reply #3718 on: August 09, 2013, 05:11:19 AM »

*Mutters from under a dusty table* Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated...

Hi Chipotle. Thanks for asking about me. Your words prompted a thoughtful moment. I honestly haven't been writing like before and fell out of the groove. Mundane days have supplanted my passion. The spark is still alive though. I guess that I feel a little guilty--not for what I've done but by what I've failed to do. I think that's why I've been scarce. The words "I used to be an author" ran through my head this evening and made me physically ill. That must change.

On a happy note, I am about to celebrate my one year anniversary of living together with another furry. We have an amazing relationship and just got engaged. We will be attending Eurofurrence together in a couple of weeks and I can't wait.

*Chuckles at 'Tivo's words* I remember when SoFurry first started and we had a little fun with it. I spent about 30 minutes to crank out a piece of trashy yiff and posted it under a different name. As I recall you did too. I also posted more thoughtful work under my real pen name (Something that was published if I remember correctly). Guess which one got lot's of fave's and which was ignored completely. I haven't been back in ages. I should peek in again just to see if anything has changed there.

I did open a Weasyl account and posted a couple of things there (as Quinn). Just like FA, there is a lot of chaff and very little wheat. Poetigress has posted quite a bit there and is gathering a little following.

I still dream of something like Baens Universe was, but for furry stories.  I have no problem with a site that has firm terms of use, submission and acceptance standards. Having guidelines may be precieved as being "elitist" by some.  I still think it is important for writers to have a place thay can proudly show their family and friends without fear of what will show up. I recall the first time I showed my family FurRag and the Story of the Moment announced "Caution, massive cum shots." *Groans*

My mate follows the Bronie crowd. The fact that Hasbro has a team of lawyers policing unacceptable abuses of their intellectual property keeps pornography to a minimum and appropriate for all ages (And yes, Bronies do "clopping" but keep it out of the public eye). Their sites are policed very closely and the fandom is still growing. Standards reduce drama and enhance acceptability.

I will try to be around more.

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« Reply #3719 on: August 09, 2013, 08:50:13 AM »

Hey Quinn! Long time no see! Smiley

I kinda passed a milestone on my end. I wrote!

Okay, technically, I’ve been writing a lot, thousands upon thousands of words, but those never survive long when confronted with my persistent erase-and-rewrite syndrome. The fact that 1,100 words survived long enough for me to post them online is a feat I haven’t been able to achieve in way too long for my comfort, so yay, a toast!
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