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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2008, 01:33:01 PM »

Will you just shut up for once and actually take a compliment when its given you great lug. lol.
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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2008, 01:35:21 PM »

That would involve me actually believing the compliment in the first place though...and I don't.
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« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2008, 11:34:52 AM »

Well you should, at least once in a while. You'll see that it both helps and makes you feel good Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2008, 11:57:16 AM »

but then it falls my persona into one of vanity, and I hate vanity. besides, as long as I consider my writing to be lack, the more I'll try to improve it, hence why I imp[rove so fast. I can admit I improve fast, just not that I'm good. I consider myself 'okay'.
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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2008, 01:28:34 PM »

Well perfectionism is as dangerous as vanity when it's done too much Wink At least it's good to see that you don't downplay yourself too much Grin
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« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2008, 01:31:00 PM »

I'm not a perfectionist. I just like getting better. he he he.

edit: I thought I should contribute more to this reply. so here it is. lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala
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« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2008, 02:26:52 PM »

Fictitious, Everace... and a whole lot of other loyal FurRaggers.

FurRag's decline is a consequence of my neglect, and nothing else. I'm tremendously proud to have given you all a place to enjoy and display your works, and I'm very disappointed in myself that it isn't more successful in its goal: to connect like-minded readers and writers.

Some of you may have noticed glitches in the main site, such as the mysterious appearance of an entirely new look and a logo that says 'Literafur'. This was accidental, a prototype rebranding of the site which wasn't for public viewing.

I'm going to take the coming weeks and months to consider various options to revive FurRag. The original purpose, from which its name derives, can no longer be achieved, because I no longer have a qualified coder and am reliant on the off-the-shelf archive software (whose lates version has an unfortunate bug which causes users with the 'adult' flag set to become unable to view adult stories!).

The title 'Literafur' is only one possibility. My goal is to create a more open, filtering community that allows subcommunities to form. I'd like the squeaky-clean to be able to live harmoniously next to the depraved. The 'collections' feature, never properly explained by me and never properly employed by the users en masse, will play a significant part in that.

I rely on off-the-shelf software and materials, so the rebranding will be mostly superficial, but with it comes a fresh commitment to this place. I've let Bad Dog Books, Heathen City and of course the day job eat up too much of my time, and neglected the budding, resilient community that's sprouted here.

True, this place isn't as active as it once was, and it was never very active to begin with. But most forums with this low level of activity just *die*. All of you have kept it alive, with regular transfusions and heart massages, for which I thank you.

Please know that I'm rededicating myself to FurRag, or Literafur, or whatever it winds up becoming, and thank you all for keeping this place alive.

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« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2008, 12:23:24 PM »

 Wink thats damn good to hear. this place keeps me happy and my spirits up. which is something I desprately need right now.
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« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2008, 12:09:30 PM »

well this is depressing.

I think I could count the ammount of time any user has come on here in the past week on one hand. Undecided
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« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2008, 03:23:19 PM »

For the site in general, I think lack of advertising doesn't help... I didn't even know this place existed until somebody gave the URL in a forum post.  I don't know what FA is charging for their little ads on the left side of the page, but that seems like a non-intrusive way to potentially get some traffic if it isn't too expensive.  On the other hand, though, since it sounds like the site might be going through some major changes, better to get the dust and debris out of the way first before inviting loads of new people in.

I can also say that -- and no offense meant to anyone, because I personally don't feel this way -- some of the writers I know weren't crazy about coming here and posting their general-audience stories because of the relative amount of adult content.  This is kind of a catch-22, though -- if there were more G-rated stuff, they'd post, but there's not going to be more G-rated stuff unless people start posting it.  *shrug*

And then there's the big factor that, except for artists who really have to promote their work and have a presence on as many sites as possible, most people tend to find one or two "homes" online and then only set up other accounts as secondary or alternate galleries.  For me, my main place is FA, and I'll probably never get around to posting everything here that's over there.  I just don't have the time or will to set up mirror galleries on every site and keep up with it all, so I focus on one place and try to put just the best stuff, or at least a representative sample, on the other sites.

For the forums... well, I don't know.  There are a lot of authors who set up accounts on places like this and then simply don't have time to keep up with everything, even if they mean to from the start.  There are just too many forums out there, even counting only the ones catering to writers or to the fandom -- as an example, I try to keep up with the activity on FA, The Writer's Bloc forum on the FA forums, the forums at Critique Circle, the forums at AnthroArchives, the Renard's Menagerie forum...  Admittedly those last two aren't very active, but you get the idea. 
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« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2008, 09:07:24 PM »

Interesting that you should mention G-rated content, as that's why I'm here. There seems to be a dearth of sites where G-rated content is welcome, but this is one of them. I'm surprised that you have writer friends who think FurRag is so pornographic that they'd be embarrassed to be associated with it. Where then are they? Surely not FA. Most certainly not YiffStar. What's left? The TSA archive, I suppose and Shifti, but those are intended for transformation fiction only. What am I missing?
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« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2008, 09:55:09 AM »

I will say this. I'm still in a lengthy process of exploring what I want to write that doesn't have sex smattered all over it, just so it can fit up on Yiffstar. And I am _enjoying_ that process.

Granted, Furrag is not so squeaky clean I'd show it to family members, but then again almost no furry site is.
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« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2008, 12:25:33 PM »

Interesting that you should mention G-rated content, as that's why I'm here. There seems to be a dearth of sites where G-rated content is welcome, but this is one of them. I'm surprised that you have writer friends who think FurRag is so pornographic that they'd be embarrassed to be associated with it. Where then are they? Surely not FA. Most certainly not YiffStar. What's left? The TSA archive, I suppose and Shifti, but those are intended for transformation fiction only. What am I missing?

I don't think it's that they think FurRag is pornographic, exactly, I think it's just a perception thing of not feeling like they 'belong.'  It's not embarrassment or self-righteousness as much as just feeling like it's a place that wasn't really made for them.  *shrug*  They are mostly on FA, but I know that some of them have their mature filter on so that mature/adult work doesn't show up.

I think some of them may be particularly sensitive to the people (read: stuck-up authors) who may write anthro stuff themselves, but still enjoy putting down "furry writers" for supposedly being just porn hacks.  So even though a furry writing site might welcome anything, if the majority of what's there is adult (or if the most prolific authors mostly write adult work), that perception still forms that being on such a site will either taint them by association ("see? it's a furry writing site and whaddeya know, it's mostly porn") or (and honestly, this may be more of the issue) that the adult work will get more attention and swamp the site so that the G-rated stuff gets lost, which I know is a complaint about FA and other art sites from both writers and artists alike.

Again, I don't personally agree with that viewpoint, but I can kind of understand where they're coming from.

Personally, I wish there could be a writing equivalent of ArtSpots (InkSpots?) Smiley , sharing the same kind of intent, but that's just me...  AnthroArchives has the potential to become something sort of like that (though not as stringent in its approval processes as ArtSpots is with artists), but its activity level has dropped drastically over the last several months, and unfortunately I don't see it ever having a huge amount of traffic because of various real-life constraints on the one person maintaining it.
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« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2008, 11:17:21 PM »

It seems a bit odd to me that I do have that feeling about FA (mostly for porn it seems) while I don't have it about FurRag (though there sure is a lot here.) FurRag is nothing like YiffStar or even FA, though. I'd venture to guess that if we pushed more non-pornographic writing onto this site, we could pretty much take it over.  Tongue

The erotica writers know that they will get more attention elsewhere. This is a sleepier venue. Alex has apologized and said that he wants to promote it more, but in a way, that's to our advantage just now. I'd say try to encourage your non-porn-writing friends to come over here and post.
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« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2008, 12:58:52 PM »

I'd say try to encourage your non-porn-writing friends to come over here and post.

I'll do what I can, but there's also the roadblock I mentioned earlier, that most of them are comfortable with how FA works and aren't crazy about keeping up with several sites.  I don't think there's much anyone can do to counteract that.

Having more feedback here might help.  The Thursday Prompt writers in particular have gotten used to (spoiled by?) Smiley getting several comments per piece when they post their writing, because of the group feeling that's formed around the prompts, and here it's unfortunately easy to scroll down through the recently-added stories and see how few responses many of them have gotten. 
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