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« on: April 02, 2008, 06:28:20 PM »

Fictious walks in and sits himself down on a black leather chair. His tail spreads out between his legs and his left hand, absent minded, plays a little with the tip.

"I'm going to get straight to the point. Straight being the operative word here." He says slyly giving the audience a slight wink. "It has come to my attention that the majority of Anthropomorphic fans out there are orientated towards homosexuality. Is there something about furs that is appealing to the gay culture? Well over half the stories in the furrag archives are homo-erotic based. Even half the members of this forum itself are gay, myself included. What I am wondering...is why?"

Fictious takes a sip of some whine that sits on a small dark oak table at side of his chair.

"This isn't really a complaint or problem or something of the like, this is merely curiosity. What is it about the furry world that attracts homosexuals?"

Fictious takes another sip while he waits for someone from the audience to present their views.
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« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2008, 11:55:41 PM »

Mongoose shrugs his shoulders, truly, he did not know the reason.

"Perhaps, it is because we are so accepting? Maybe, it is simply because the fandom lacks females and we choose to accept men because of this. Really, I do not know. But I'm surprised that there have not been more responses to this."
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2008, 07:40:45 AM »

The lack of females in the fandom could be just an impression, I think. Most female furs I know are quiet, sometimes shy persons.
Also, as Mongoose said, it's a thing with more open minds. We furs come from very different horizons, different cultures, different generations even. We share one passion though, and the only way we can enjoy it together is to accept differences. It's become a prominent part of the fandom.
Also, once you've become part of a fandom that the general public usually has a negative opinion of, it's usually easier to stop hiding who you really are from people who made the same choice you did.
I hope I made sense there XD
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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2008, 02:55:50 PM »

Maybe, it is simply because the fandom lacks females and we choose to accept men because of this.

 Smiley  Forgive me, but I don't think there are many men in the fandom who are gay because there aren't enough women around.

I've wondered about this topic as well, but I have never been able to find any satisfactory answer.  It seems it's one of those things that just is without a simple reason.  One of the first things I noticed about the fiction in the fandom was the recurring theme of using furry characters to highlight the discrimination and persecution of GLBT people in society at large.  (I have also heard that statement that furry began as a gay club fetish, but I've never been convinced of that.)

With the sub-issue of women in the fandom, that may wind up being something of a self-fufilling prophecy.  As far as I've seen (which may just be my little corner of the fandom, so take it with a grain of salt), the majority of the demographic seems to be men in their teens and twenties (regardless of sexual orientation), and since they make up the majority of the audience, the majority of what gets created (art, fiction, comics, etc.) ends up made to appeal to them.  If there's not much in a fandom that appeals to you, there's not a lot of incentive to stick around -- although fortunately, some do anyway and use it as an opportunity to create their own niche -- and the majority continues as before.

I think there are more women in the fandom now than there were several years ago when I first became aware of it.  I also remember noticing that a disproportionate number of artists in con dealers' rooms were women, but that may have also changed; I haven't been to any large conventions lately.
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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2008, 06:46:29 PM »

Fictious nods at these points.

"Good points, but we're not really addressing this as I wished. I doubt there is an overall reason that would explain the number of GLBT's in the fandom, I'm more interested in the lure of it. What makes them join? Not an underlining reason, but what attracts them, is the furry figure sexually intriguing to those of homosexual tendencies?"

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"To answer such questions, I think, one must delve into our own minds. After all, the great majority of us are gay, I'm sure we can speak for ourselves here. So tell me, what made you join? Those that are straight or female may also answer, I'm not about to deprive you of that." He chuckles. "I myself...it was the desire, the desire to not only break from the norm, as I have done with almost all aspects of my life, but also to escape this cruel world, and trade it for a fantasy one in which anything can happen."

He stops talking for a second and cocks his head to the side.

"I didn't find it. The furry world is not the ultimate fantasy where anything can happen...but for some reason, I was drawn to it like a moth to a flame. I found a place of peace among furry companions...a place, that I felt more home, than I did in the real world. And this is the truth. I adore those simple stories of self discovery. It seems that with each one I read I gain an insight to my own soul. I think that thats what drew me to the fandom...that peace. That insight. That acceptance. I cannot count the amount of times I have wished that the world was like the Anthro stories I read.

"So I have told you my reason...what is yours?"
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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2008, 08:38:16 PM »

I'm afraid my reason is far more mundane.  I was drawn to the fandom simply because I like stories and art featuring anthropomorphic animals, and this is where the action is.  As to why I like anthro characters -- to me, that's a bit like asking why I like fantasy in general, or why I like certain types of music, or chocolate ice cream.  I suppose I could dissect it psychologically, but I've never really felt the need to.  *shrug*  I admit, though, although furry does have a spiritual element for me, I tend to see it more as an interest than an identity.
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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2008, 12:58:07 AM »

I've often wondered why the fur community seems so overwhelmingly gay so far as demographics go... I can't tell you how frustrating it is reviewing your 3rd piece of gay erotica in a single day when all you really want is a nice fantasy romp!

As for myself (straight male), I'm attracted to furry writing/art for a few reasons.  Firstly, fur is great stuff.  Ever felt it?  Well kept fur is lovely and soft, as of yet having no rival so far as tactile pleasure goes.  Second I suppose would be the sudden increase in options an author gets when working with furs.  Making use of innate animal abilities like abnormal eyesight, strength, flight, ect. can open up new horizons that can't be considered if only humans were to be used.  Another interesting feature that I've seen some writers address is a difference in mindset.  After all, a civilization of anthro panthers'd have different wants and needs than a civilization of humans, and this would have an effect on how their society develops.  To get a feel for what I'm talking about, read any of Greg Howell's stuff.  He also delves into anthro religions in some cases!

At any rate, furdom simply offers a broad range of possibilities not available elsewhere.  And I like it!
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2008, 08:43:42 AM »

Mongoose laughed. He laughed, simply because of Poe's words.
"I'm an example, Tigress. Never would I have ever imagined my life would be what it's like now. Yet, here I am." His laughing faded quickly, along with his smile. He inhaled deeply, releasing a sigh from between his lips. "I have to admit, I'm quite ashamed of myself. I joined the fandom many years ago. I had been searching for porn and came across an adult furry website. I joined, which led me into the chatrooms. From there, well... I went from women, to herms, to eventually other males."

He turns his head away from the others gaze, planting his ears firmly against his skull. "I stayed, because of the porn... but also because of the people I met. Never was I able to put so much trust into one person. I found friends. A lot of them. And not just those I screwed around with. I found others that I was able to pour my heart into. I found myself going to them for    love and support. They made me happy. Really happy."

"You know, I constantly question myself as to why I am a furry. Many of my friends aren't around anymore, they've moved on. When I went to Further Confusion, I really felt inspired. I met a lot of good people there, Osfer being one of them. But, I also saw a lot of things that continue to make me question myself and the fandom that I find myself involved in." He raises his head, sighing once more. He could never admit things to someone that wasn't a fur. It was strange, even to him. Perhaps it was just because he had been a furry for so long, he had grown comfortable around them.

"And as for my character? My Fursona? He's just an avatar. An image of someone I wish to be. No, not a walking pile of fur, but... Invincible. He's strong, everything I never was. If I ever get to writing about him, you'll find that he's constantly suffering. But suffering does not make him weak, no. It strengthens him. He's embraced pain, enjoys it. It's kind of funny, to me at least. I think I truly come to believe that pain and suffering can strengthen oneself."
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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2008, 02:23:32 PM »

Homo_fictious walks up and plants a paw on Mongoose's shoulder. He treats the floppy eared fur to a gentle and warm smile.

"Finally." He said simply. "A real answer. I know all about wishing to be someone else. My life as a fur online is a wishful path that I can never take in the real world. I read stories about the hardships and romantics of furry figures, and even though I can always feel the amount of pain emanating from the characters, the loss and confusion...I find myself envying them of the life they have within the pages of their story.

"Your right, suffering does better ourselves. When we suffer for a long time, we learn to thoroughly enjoy and revel in the fleeting moments of happiness during those times, and it allows us to see the light and dark far more clearly. Suffering makes us all better people. It's a cold, hard thing to say, but it is also the truth."

Fictious gave Mongoose's shoulder a squeeze.

"Do not be ashamed of who you are or what you choose to do with your life. Any that would ever judge you will never see the light of this forum. For if such people ever decided to join..." Fictious voice grew to a low growl filled with menace and abhorrence. "...I would throw them out personally. Whether we need the new members or not, those that would judge or treat any member here as something other than a respectful human and friend, are not welcome on this site in my eyes. I may not be a mod, I may not be an admin, but I am a fur. I am gay. And I have been on the wrong end of such people my entire life, and if I have to make their lives a living hell whilst they stay here until they leave, I will do it with a smile."

Fictious looks around him at the familiar faces of each member and he feels a swelling in his chest.

"You are all a family to me. Every one of you. Some I haven't spoke too much, you, Mongoose, being one of them. But I don't need to know much about you. You are family. You are friends. And I love each and everyone of you."

He treated them all to a warm smile. His sharp teeth making themselves visible at the corners of his muzzle.

"Well, I think it would be best if we...I mean, I got back on topic.

"Everace, I think your point was especially well put as I think it counts for all of us. After all, if furs really existed, I know each and everyone of you would dream of having a soft feline or canine or whatever being you choose snuggled up to you, their fur...soft as silk."
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« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2008, 08:27:19 AM »

"As for me, when I first joined the community I was still pretty much in the closet. Not only did I hide my sexual orientation from others but I also didn't recognize it myself. The first several furs I met were straight males, and one straight female. Most of them I still keep contact with, because they, more than the overwhelming gay presence around, helped me build enough confidence to come out. First to myself, and then to others."
"The issue of a homosexual/bisexual majority in the furry fandom hasn't bothered me since, it had always seemed natural to me so I never thought much of it."
"The first thing that brought me in the community was teh art and it is still a major reason why I stay. But then came nice people I met, people who cared for me, people I've even grown to care for, and just for that I won't deny my 'furriness" anytime soon."
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2008, 06:46:05 AM »

I have my own theory, based on my admittedly quite cynical view of people in general. In a nutshell, it's not so much that furry fandom attracts gay people, as that many straight people are less likely to be attracted to it. Think about it for a second. If you're gay and have accepted that, you've already taken a step away from mainstream culture. Whereas if you're the kind of follow-the-crowd sheep who doesn't really think much about stuff, like a lot of people are (the personality-less background characters of the movie of your life, if you will), you're less likely to look into oddities like the fandom.

So the crowd that's receptive to its allure is, I think, already more gay than the population at large.
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2008, 09:24:23 AM »

I have my own theory, based on my admittedly quite cynical view of people in general. In a nutshell, it's not so much that furry fandom attracts gay people, as that many straight people are less likely to be attracted to it. Think about it for a second. If you're gay and have accepted that, you've already taken a step away from mainstream culture. Whereas if you're the kind of follow-the-crowd sheep who doesn't really think much about stuff, like a lot of people are (the personality-less background characters of the movie of your life, if you will), you're less likely to look into oddities like the fandom.

So the crowd that's receptive to its allure is, I think, already more gay than the population at large.

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you have a sharp mind. sharpoing than my own I believe...then again...thats not saying much. My minds pretty much made of butter, lol. but yeah, I can really see your point. Wink
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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2008, 10:01:28 AM »

Hehe, well I had the same idea but didn't know how to word it without making it sound crazy. You beat me, mungo Wink
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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2008, 01:14:50 PM »

That or I'm just a cynical bitch. Depends on who you ask really. Wink
But yeah. I don't really see a reason furry fandom would be especially attractive to gay people, or turn people gay, so all that remains to me is the conclusion that the people who would be attracted to the fandom were simply more likely to be gay.

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I don't see the problem with sounding crazy. We're all crazy here, no? It's oddly liberating to be a bit nuts, you know.
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« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2008, 01:53:19 PM »

Hehehe, and why is it that every single Swede I know consider craziness a good thing? Grin

Anyway, yeah... I'm a minority in all aspects here and picked on for that - white-skinned, mixed ancestry, french-speaking, and gay (that last one I don't publicise much in RL). In regards to that I always considered being a furry as being a minor concern.
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