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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2010, 11:34:31 AM »

I'm half-tempted to make TvTropes articles for Shadowknight and my superhero-themed WIP, just like I did with Kayn. At least it would mean something gets written somewhere, even if the stories themselves get stuck (and besides, looking for tropes inside your own work can be fun).
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« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2010, 07:03:41 PM »

Lol, you have TVTropes articles? That's cool. Smiley If you plan on getting lost in the database, we'll send in pizza and beer, to at least ease your final moments. Grin

k9k: Don't let those scenes get away! Write them down, if it's all that you do. They'll come in handy later on, when you regain your motivation to write, and when that time comes, they'll have matured and you'll know what to do with them.

Jacks: I know that feeling all too well. Somehow the act of writing (or typing, or speaking) seems to destroy the perfect, well-formed ideas in my head. Though it's diminished with time and practice, that effect still remains with me to some extent, and it can get extremely annoying. It's like something out of quantum mechanics, only my thoughts aren't electrons, and my observations don't affect them so why should transcribing do?
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« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2010, 10:30:49 AM »

Hey, I survived TvTropes fine, thanks. Sure, I get trapped in long WikiWalks once in a while... but... *wikiwalks*
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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2010, 02:03:14 AM »

We can come here and complain?  Okay then, I'ma let myself b*tch. 

Summer started the second week of May.  I started a story.  I did not finish it, despite the fact that I like the idea and plot.  I just didn't do it. 

I left that story behind, fully intending to get back to it later, and started another one.  I didn't fare much better, which is particularly bad because the characters and events are well-developed in my head.  However, this story would've been fairly long, so I chalked that one up to the length and complexity (even though it would've had gobs of comedy). 

"Whatever, it's only June now!" I thought, "I've got plenty of time."  So I started on another story.  This one is lesbian porn.  Surely, if I can finish any story at all, it'll be lesbian porn!  Every.  Single.  Time.  I sat down to write, one sentence would crap itself out and then I'd stop.  For a few days straight. 

After that I just gave up.  Then, in late July, an idea hits me that becomes "Moroneae Domesticus" and after stewing on it for a few weeks, I went ahead and wrote it.  It took me a week-and-a-half at least to even finish the first draft. 

I wasted the better part of three months.  I just sat around doing nothing, knowing full well I've got stories I want to tell.  I wasted three months, started three stories I still want and plan to write, when I wrote the first two storis of my gallery in two days flat.  And now school starts in a week, and I'm not sure how much time I'm gonna have to write. 

What's up with that!!  Angry 

I know it's a wall of text, but thank you for letting me vent. 
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« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2010, 05:20:14 AM »

Time writing is never time wasted. Even if the stories dead end, the characters and ideas stick around and develop in the hind-brain. The act of writing improves the skill of the writer.
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« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2010, 08:30:35 PM »

I have the same problem sneeze, hence why I try to do my story all in one go. The problem is getting the motivation to sit down and write it all out.
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« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2010, 01:39:04 AM »

Quinn:  Thanks for the advice.  It makes me feel better about the stubs of stories sitting in my notebooks.  They have, actually, improved in my head since I've left them. 

k9k:  Aye, thar's the problem!  It upsets that I've done that before, but when I was under no pressure whatsoever, I couldn't do it! 
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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2010, 07:18:11 PM »

Only being able to write when not under pressure is, in general, something that's likely to come back and bite you in the ass.

The best exercise ever, for a writer? NaNoWriMo. It doesn't matter if it's shite, as long as it's shite that is somewhat stringed together, and it's 50000 words long at the end of the month. It's like what they say about setting monkeys in front of typewriters to bang out Shakespeare; somewhere in those 50000 words, there's a sentence, maybe even a whole paragraph, of pure gold.
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« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2010, 11:11:21 PM »

Hear Hear Q_M!

And even if you manage to write 50,000 words without a gem, the next 50,000 will be much better. Just never tell an agent that your book was written during NaNoWriMo until after they read it.
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« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2010, 03:09:22 AM »

I'll have to try the NaNoWriMo some day.  In all honesty, I'm a bit apprehensive.  Longer works are not my forte, but that's another reason to do it! 
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« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2010, 01:24:20 AM »

There's nothing wrong with being apprehensive, but don't put too much pressure on yourself. There isn't a punishment for failing. Some people just have a hard time writing novel length. I can't write short stories. I try, but things spin out of control and before I know it, I've got 3 or 4 subplots, 10k words and just a beginning.

Some writers excell in poetry, some screen writing, some short fiction and some long fiction. Don't try to force yourself to be someone you're not. It might burn you up.
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« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2010, 08:50:06 AM »

That said, I've seen people do some pretty interesting interconnected short stories for NaNo. Sort of, well... 25 2000-word variations on a theme, or whatever. As long as it's 50000 new words, and they at least belong together in some manner, you set the rest of the rules for yourself.
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« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2010, 08:57:19 AM »

* Taps on glass of his aquarium. *

I'm finally making some progress with my work. After a lot of faffing about, I believe that I've cracked my wondering tense problems. Now I just only have to 'up' my creation speed and I'll be set.

I've decided to put a lot of my other ideas on hold to concentrate on just two projects. First I'm reworking my Ferals universe to get all the background details set in concrete before I write the first novel. I've ended up having to 'recon' (to quote the comic geeks) some of the characters and detail that have already been written, but I feel the final products are better for that. I'm especially pleased that I've got Annie-May LeCrux background set, even changing her surname to De La Bayuk (17 century French for In The River Delta, appropriate for a girl from the bayous. Wink) The products of this work should start turning up in the next few weeks. I hasten to add that I agree with Quinn all writing has value even if you don't use it in the end. A lot of my failures get recycled in to something better. A lot of the background that I'm using for Annie-May was originally scribbled down for a comic book character concept I created over a decade ago.

I about to start re-writing The Fox And The Kiwi to full novel length. I'm keeping the dual first person, but I've found a way to smoothly introduce background details in a semi-3-person to give the readers a break from the 1st-person. The 'in my head' rewrite I've done so far has reduced the original 30k down to about 15k and made for a smoother flow. I will wait for the opinions of others to see if I'm right when I start posting it in November.

Following on from Q_M's thoughts. Interconnected short stories which weave to build to a larger story is a classic and effective method of story telling. Case in point; The Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer,  was written from 1387 and is made up of 24 tales, and is considered to a major influence in English Literature. http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/2383 will take to his page on Gutenberg if you want to have a read of it for ideas.

Enough blather for now, back to the word-processor to turn stuff out.
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« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2010, 02:19:32 PM »

I confess that, apart from the occasional flash fic to keep me on my toes, I haven't been able to do much writing lately. The temporary (probably soon-to-be permanent) loss of my laptop has left me scribbling on scraps and envelopes, or jotting down thoughts in my cellphone, neither of w/c method is fast enough or large enough to capture my thoughts as they unfold and vanish. As a result, I'm unable to finish even the roughest of rough drafts before the spark of creativity is extinguished and I am forced to wait for a new one to descend. Tongues of flame - psh. More like withering embers.

So I spend the days that I dare to write writing sad, disjointed thoughts that bear no resemblance to the ones I'd sought to put down. Sometimes I wonder why I even bother taking on such a capricious Muse when I already have the attention of another to satisfy me. Maybe I'm not as satisfied as I'd have myself believe. Who knows? I may be grasping at too many straws, but I cannot deny the envy I feel at those who can write, who can conjure up entire worlds in one sitting. The joy of completing a beautiful essay or novel and knowing that it's not just you that finds it beautiful. The ability to create something all your own - not just fill in the mold others have set out for you. The ability to speak and know that you'll be heard (but that's not entirely true, though, is it? Reason works only on those who accept it, and even then they could decide either way.)

Apart from sports, though, I don't think I've encountered anything quite as hard as writing a decent full-length story. Yes, there is art and there is Art, but Art has always come easier to me in other forms than this. Writing is a headache. I know the joy a writer derives from his work, but that joy has never felt as prominent as the hurdles one must wade through to reach it. I hope there's just something I'm doing wrong, because if that's not the case, I may be setting myself up for heartbreak.
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« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2010, 12:24:38 AM »

Hey Reiter,

i don't know if it's an option for you but when I can't write, I use a digital voice recorder to get thoughts down (like when I'm driving). They aren't that expensive anymore...

And I finally did it! I wrote a short story and didn't spin it into a novel. I'll spruce it up and post it soon. It's intended to be a submission for the Midwest Fur Fest con book.
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