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« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2011, 04:10:34 PM »

We DO have a new user called TomMoore. I am wondering if they might be related in some way.
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« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2011, 09:46:49 PM »

PG-13, oh, didn't know that part!
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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2011, 09:51:11 PM »

PG-13, oh, didn't know that part!
Yup. At least I'm reasonably sure. I'll double-check. I think HEAT is the porny one and NF isn't. I mean, neither HAVE to be porny, but ya know, they're looking to sell, so you need the fap-worthy content.
It's a bit like the film Inception. It did so well because it had the depth for the smart people and the action and glitz for the Michael Bay fanboys. That sort of combination sells the best because the target audience is far bigger than it would be for smart fiction alone.
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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2011, 12:52:24 AM »

Heat accepts (and prefers) erotic content of one sort or another.
New Fables does not accept erotica. PG-13 is correct, though I don't think they say so explicitly.

As for Inception: *gags*

Guns and violence repel me even more than skunk farts. I just don't see the point.

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« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2011, 01:14:34 AM »

As for Inception: *gags*

Guns and violence repel me even more than skunk farts. I just don't see the point.

It's just fun, that's all. The human instinct to kill and destroy, manifested in harmless ways. That's why people love it so much. The sight of death and destruction without the weight of it on your conscience or the blood on your hands. Quite an elegant solution. Vicariously releasing your anger. I very much enjoy artistic violence -- stuff like the movie 300. A movie where violence is depicted as beautiful and precise. It's quite satisfying, actually. 
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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2011, 04:42:10 AM »

If you really want a smart movie, watch shoot'em up. To the average person, it is a shoot'em up movie. To the smart folks, it is actually against gun violence and is a satire of action flicks.
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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2011, 08:48:00 AM »

As for Inception: *gags*

Guns and violence repel me even more than skunk farts. I just don't see the point.
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What?! But Christopher Nolan is God! Christopher Nolan is not about guns and violence, Christopher Nolan is too subtle for that! Christopher Nolan is about moral dilemmas and reality-bending, truly a mark of godlike, even Borgesian, intelligence! The only reason Christopher Nolan permits guns and violence in those films is a mystery known only to Christopher Nolan himself! It's the Problem of Evil all over again, don't you see?!?! Truly Christopher Nolan works in mysterious ways! Praise be Christopher Nolan!
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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2011, 10:33:38 AM »

Yes, Reiter, something like that. Hollywood's obsession with gun violence and explosions goes into the same box with professional sports and rock music as far as I'm concerned. Incomprehensible, intolerable, and pointless for me.

I am a creator, not a destroyer. I have no urge, no desire, no interest in destructive activity or aggression.
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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2011, 11:12:44 AM »

I see where you're coming from, but honestly, it's a shame that you'd shoot down a movie like Inception just because it has guns and explosions in it. Chris Nolan could probably have toned it down a bit (well, a LOT), but it made plenty of sense within the framework of the story. It'd be like, I dunno, refusing to read a Philip Dick book because it had drugs in it. It's hardly what the story's about, and acknowledging it doesn't make you any less of a pacifist.
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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2011, 11:35:57 AM »

It's much more than that. The violence is so irritating to me that I can't be bothered to look for more. The same as if there were two or three squalling babies in the theatre. It is just so pointless and stupid that I'm not interested in putting up with it. Not to mention that the volume level in most theatres is so high that I find this crap physically painful.

And no, I don't care for Philip K. Dick. Never have.

If there is something important in these pieces then the writers or directors have failed to communicate with me. They put in the gunfire why? To keep shallow theatre goers amused? Well, then that's their audience and I am not it.
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« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2011, 12:02:24 PM »

All right, maybe Philip Dick was a bad example. It's like reading "Sir Gawain and the Green Knight" and not being able to see its themes of [whatever its themes were] because the characters were literally cutting off each other's heads based on some antiquated notion of male dominance. (And if that's not an appropriate enough example for you, I don't know what is.)

As to why directors choose to include gunfire, my guess is as good as yours. I think it's just the most appropriate weapon for the time. Shakespeare wrote stabby-stabby tragedies, Agatha Christie used poison, George Lucas had lightsabers. Okay, that last probably wasn't representative, but still. Sometimes people die in movies in their pursuit/defense of truth, and in those times the people tasked with antagonizing them will do anything short of killing to stop them. And they wouldn't do that by inflicting a million paper cuts.
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« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2011, 01:15:29 PM »

Interesting that you should bring Sir Gawain and the Green Knight into it, but the point there actually was that they weren't cutting off each other's heads. In spite of a cultural expectation that they would, and going through motions that implied they would, they really didn't. Thus it's about civilization and responsibility as contrasted with barbarism and brute force.  Grin

And that's what my writing is generally about as well, likewise the things I prefer to read. I'll take Ursula Le Guin over any number of science fiction/military shoot 'em ups.

With all respect to the Bard of England, while I adore his language and characters, I certainly have a preference for the comedies over Macbeth or the historical tragedies. Even he used violence in specific symbolic ways, though, rather than as mere punctuation or ornamentation. The latter is the norm in today's film and video as well as much of the popular writing.

As popular and financially successful as this may be, I find the practice not just repellent but horribly irresponsible. There is no question in my mind but what violent media feeds and promotes violence in a culture that is awash with it. The US is a classic case in point.
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« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2011, 04:03:06 PM »

As popular and financially successful as this may be, I find the practice not just repellent but horribly irresponsible. There is no question in my mind but what violent media feeds and promotes violence in a culture that is awash with it. The US is a classic case in point.

Oooh boy. The opposite has actually been proven on more occasions than I can count. There is not a single bit of evidence, in fact, to back up that statement in any way.
Most of the research tends reveal that through film and videogame violence we purge our violent desires and become more passive. I had a whole class on human violence and, trust me, we've read dozens of these case-studies.

As far as not reading books because they have certain aspects to them you don't like, I bring you Sherlock Holmes. In the Russian translation, all references of drug use have been removed by the Soviet Board of Censorship... which is just moronic. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle uses drugs as a means to bring about the degradation of Holmes. They are vital to the story.
Violence is the same way. It is a natural part of life, like sex. And like sex, there is no reason for it to be removed or twisted into euphemisms. You cannot paint a complete picture of human existence without violence. It is impossible.
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« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2011, 04:11:45 PM »

I disagree with you on all counts, Alflor. We can leave it at that.
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« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2011, 04:19:25 PM »

Fine by me.
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