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« on: July 10, 2012, 02:08:56 AM »

Even on porn-heavy websites like Fur Affinity and SoFurry will you find authors that really are gifted. Erotic or not, some furs actually understand character development, plot, and the English language for that matter. And of course they receive little thanks or attention because FA is just one notch above Youtube for craptastic butchering of English.

So, here's your chance. What little-known authors in the fandom do you think deserve our attention and thanks? Links to their galleries/websites/profiles are of course appreciated!
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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2013, 01:06:21 AM »

In hearing from other members of the site and from your posting here it seems like members of this site look down their noses at writers whose stories have erotic content.  I can't speak for FA because I feel it is one of the worst sites for writers, but SoFurry has plenty of writers that have a talent for marrying erotic content with "character development, plot, and the English language".  Many use sex like it is used in real life, to bond characters together.  I actually find that stories that don't have sex in them, even if it is behind closed doors are usually not very realistic.
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2013, 01:43:15 PM »

I was always under the impression that we were neutral in the matter of sex in stories. Some of us don’t like it, some don’t mind. I perfectly remember recommending two writers once (one ended up joining this site) whose stories, while not necessarily erotica, had their own share of explicit sexual scenes.
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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2013, 02:46:05 PM »

As a reader and reviewer of furry lit (and non-lit) I see far too much stuff that exists solely for the supposed erotic content. Hence my advice to new writers: Don't use sex scenes as a crutch. Develop real, three dimensional characters. Sex is never essential to that, nor to an active plot line.

Very, very few of the writers who continue to garner respect years after their work appears in public are writers of erotica. In fact, the only ones that come to mind are noted for writing subliminal erotica or stories in which the erotic content is based on innuendo, inference, and things that take place behind the scenes.

That said, no, we have no ban on erotic content as such. But don't ask me personally to review it unless you want to feel teeth.  Grin
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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2013, 09:39:57 PM »

I guess that tells me all I need to know about this site.  It also helps to explain why this site has only 407 writers on it after all these years (my guess is only about a tenth of those are still active.  Looking at the author index it appears that the VAST majority of them have posted 3 or less stories, so I would assume they have moved on.).  All seems rather pretentious to me.  LOL  It seems like an exclusive little hoity-toity club that isn't very inclusive.  But hey if that makes you feel superior, more power to you.

A writer can write a novel that has tremendous character development and excellent plot and still contain sex scenes.  And that's not just furry stories.  Many mainstream novels have sex in them and many are by very successful authors.  If sex is used as the spice as opposed to the meat of the story it can make a tasty and compelling story.

Maybe you should be honest with writers who decide to come to this site.  The intro should read: “We have no ban on erotic content as such, BUT if you should chose to write it you will be considered a second class citizen and the Administrators and “in” crowd will look down their noses at you.  They may even bite you...”
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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2013, 02:54:55 AM »

Now you are erroneously ascribing my personal opinion, which I told you was personal, to the entire site population. No, I don't care for porn. That's me. It has nothing to do with the policies or content of the site. I don't own the site, and I don't make the rules. I just stated my own opinion.

The story archive here has pretty heavy traffic, judging by the read statistics. Most of my material on there has over ten thousand reads, some of it three or four times that. Readers are not required to register in order to read, so many of them do not do so. They have to register to leave comments, and if they aren't registered they don't comment. The site is active, but in a different way than Fur Affinity or So Furry. I would say there is plenty of room for both. Since both of those sites already exist, there doesn't seem to be any need for us to be redundant rather than different.
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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2013, 03:04:43 PM »

No I am not ascribing your personal opinion to the whole site, that is just your assumption (and perhaps an insight into your (egocentric?) personality...).  It has been my experience with most of the people on this site that I have interacted with that it is their opinion also.  And if you look closer all of the people except myself who are on this thread also seem to be of that opinion to one degree or another. 

Whether or not your story archive has “pretty heavy traffic, judging by the read statistics”, doesn't change the fact that if you don't have new writing talent adding to your story pool the site will become just that, an archive.

When I posted these most recent posts to the Forum I looked around and noticed that there were only a handful of posts in the last 6 months, so your Forum is basically an Archive too.  I pretty much had to fight my way through the dust and cobwebs...  That's pretty much a sign of a dying site, not a healthy vibrant one.  If you believe otherwise you have your head in the sand.

As far as your comment, “The site is active, but in a different way than Fur Affinity or So Furry. I would say there is plenty of room for both. Since both of those sites already exist, there doesn't seem to be any need for us to be redundant rather than different.”  I never suggested that there isn't room for both types of sites.  People can have any type of site or club they want to have, no matter how pretentious they may be.  It's called freedom of association and is guaranteed in the US Bill of Rights Article 11.  I just suggested that you be honest about what this site is.  If you want it to be the “Porn-free Alternative to SoFurry and Fur Affinity”, then you should state that right up front.  Then writers wouldn't come on here in good faith (after being directed to the site by members) and be savaged and belittled by some of the prim self-righteous holier-than-thou Red Pen Wielders (still don't know exactly what they are, but terminology on this site is a beef for another day) for having adult content in their stories.  If you were honest you would just ban adult content completely, instead of luring writers in on false pretenses.
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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2013, 04:24:01 PM »

I don't know what you think you'll achieve by being unreasonable and attacking people personally. If you don't like it, why are you here? It was so long ago that you got a bad review on your work by one person who doesn't even come here any more, and you're still butthurt? Move on.
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2013, 08:28:00 AM »

I’m actually looking for proof of the assertion that this site punishes people for including erotica in their writing. Admittedly my own stories aren’t very recent, but they do contain sex scenes (one of them begins with a sex scene), and no one really commented on these either way during their reviews.
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2013, 01:46:46 AM »

At least the topic is producing discussion and clearing out some of the cobwebs.

I'm about a month away from publishing Theta.

No sex, but people seem to like it anyway.  ^.^

Of course, I've written some pretty darn raunchy stories, too... but they're on SoFurry. ;p

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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2013, 02:01:32 AM »

This response is to Jacky

First why do I have to hope to achieve anything?  This is exactly the problem with some of you on this site in a nutshell.  Not all of us that write are hoping to achieve anything except enjoyment from our stories and sharing them with those who also enjoy them.  And if you don’t enjoy them, then just please move on to something you do enjoy instead of trashing it because it isn’t to your taste.  My goal in writing fiction isn’t to get it published, if that happens that’s fine.  I have plenty of stuff published although you would have to look in scientific journals to find it.  I write fiction to live vicariously through the characters in the various worlds I have created in my head and to share them with anyone else who may also enjoy them.  I also find living vicariously through these characters to be very therapeutic and cathartic.
 
Many of the members (mostly the Red Pen Wielders) on this site remind me of the creative writing professors in my freshman year of college who made me ABSOLUTELY HATE writing fiction.  Most of them were failed hack wannabe writers that took all the joy out of writing.  It took 30 years and being inspired by Onyx Tao’s Cold Blood novel to get over the awful taste they left in my mouth and try my hand at creative writing again.  And to my surprise I found I REALLY enjoyed it.  An even bigger surprise was that more than a few furries out there actually enjoyed reading them.
 
I will not let the nattering nabobs of negativity on this site stop the joy I have rediscovered in writing, but it really bothers me that you guys are still out there trying to pigeon hole everyone into your own view of what writing should be.  Which is why I found Mr.Altivo’s comment, “Hence my advice to new writers: Don't use sex scenes as a crutch. Develop real, three dimensional characters. Sex is never essential to that, nor to an active plot line.” so incredibly distasteful and heavy handed.  Of course sex is “never essential” to character development or to an active plot line.  Neither are railroads... or space stations... or lycanthropy... or fishing trips...or fox hunts... or hippopteri or any number of activities, themes or characters that are the back drop for writing.  But neither are they or SEX exclusionary to character development or an active plot line.

If it was me, I would be happy that people are writing and enjoying it as opposed to worrying that the content of their story fit my narrow-minded idea of what content should be.  If they need help with grammar or spelling or need to learn to be more descriptive or learn to better relate their ideas you should help them with that.  What inspires an individual to write is a personal matter and is up to that person.  But that doesn’t seem to be the case with Mr. Altivo.  He ought to just go all the way (oops that sounds rather sexual and we know that isn’t kosher here) and just assign us each a writing project complete with scoring rubrics and deadlines.  Then I’ll feel like I’m 30 years younger and back in my enthusiasm numbing creative writing class.  This is exactly why I don’t take commissions.  I want to write what I want to write and how I want to write and when I want write.

As to your question as to why I’m here, the smart ass answer to that, and I am NOT above being a smart ass, would be that my parents had unprotected sex 54 years ago (Oops there goes that sex thing again).  Why am I here?  If you look at my first response to Mr. Moore’s original posting you will notice that it was a serious and thoughtful response to the apparent dislike of erotic material by the Admin and dreaded “Red Pen Wielders” of this site.  It wasn’t until I and anyone else who decides to have sex scenes in their writing were attacked by Mr. Altivo that I went into “attack mode”.
 
Then you bring up: “It was so long ago that you got a bad review on your work by one person who doesn't even come here any more, and you're still butthurt?”  Oh, you mean the one by that Red Pen Wielder that hacked and then hijacked my e-mail account that took a week for me to get back?  Do I hold a grudge over that?  OF COURSE I DO!  And I also hold a grudge about those Red Pen Wielders who defended the no talent little troll as a paragon of virtue.  But then it appears that you Red Pen Wielders always come to each other’s defense…  It all seems so incestuous.  Damn!  There I go again with the sex references, and incest isn't even one of the kinks I write about…  But that isn't what this was about.  I tried to start serious discussion at first, but it is obvious that difference of opinion isn't tolerated let alone accepted on this site.
 
And what exactly is a Red Pen Wielder?  I’m assuming it is some type of admin helper, but damn it sounds so incredibly sophomoric.  Or maybe something even more sinister, the term academic brown shirt comes to mind.  LOL (Don’t get your panties in a wad, that was meant as a joke, but I realize that a sense of humor here is pretty much completely lacking.)
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2013, 02:17:03 AM »

This is in response Erkhyan

I never asserted that writers got “punished” for writing sex scenes.  My point was that Admin and Red Pen Wielders tend to look down their noses at those who write sex scenes.  You have no further to look than this thread:

“As a reader and reviewer of furry lit (and non-lit) I see far too much stuff that exists solely for the supposed erotic content. Hence my advice to new writers: Don't use sex scenes as a crutch. Develop real, three dimensional characters. Sex is never essential to that, nor to an active plot line.

Very, very few of the writers who continue to garner respect years after their work appears in public are writers of erotica. In fact, the only ones that come to mind are noted for writing subliminal erotica or stories in which the erotic content is based on innuendo, inference, and things that take place behind the scenes.

That said, no, we have no ban on erotic content as such. But don't ask me personally to review it unless you want to feel teeth.”

That is about as blatant a condemnation as you can get, and from an Administrator at that.  It is meant to throw a wet blanket on those that post sex scenes on this site, but it isn't punishment.

You also state that:  “Admittedly my own stories aren’t very recent, but they do contain sex scenes (one of them begins with a sex scene), and no one really commented on these either way during their reviews.” 

As you say your stories aren't recent and maybe things have changed since that time.  Sites change and the people administering them get replaced so attitudes also change.  It just appears to me at this current time that Administrators and Red Pen Weilders attach a stigma attached to writing sex scenes on this site.  You have no further to look than this thread.
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2013, 02:24:36 AM »

Another defacto proof of the hostility toward those that have sex in their stories is the original post itself:

“Even on porn-heavy websites like Fur Affinity and SoFurry will you find authors that really are gifted. Erotic or not, some furs actually understand character development, plot, and the English language for that matter. And of course they receive little thanks or attention because FA is just one notch above Youtube for craptastic butchering of English.

So, here's your chance. What little-known authors in the fandom do you think deserve our attention and thanks? Links to their galleries/websites/profiles are of course appreciated!”

This was posted 10 months ago and there was NOT ONE PERSON on this site that thought enough of ANY writer that writes sex scenes to recommend anybody on this thread.  It sat dead for 10 months until I resurrected it.  I find that pretty damning in itself.  But go ahead and shoot the messenger...
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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2013, 03:58:28 AM »

This is in response to Sasya's post

Congratulations on getting your story published.  If you want to write a story that has no sex to get mainstream publishing or just because it's what you WANT to write, I will be the first to congratulate you.  I wish you all the success with it.

As to your comment:

“Of course, I've written some pretty darn raunchy stories, too... but they're on SoFurry. ;p”

Just make sure they stay on SoFurry if you want to be respected on this site...
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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2013, 10:24:18 AM »

I fail to see why Altivo being an administrator means he has to change his stance as a reviewer. He’s had this opinion since well before I joined, he’s had it when I posted my stories years ago, and he still has it now. It’s his right, again, as a reviewer. Will you condemn me if I say that, as a reviewer, I will most likely never review heterosexual erotica or heavy dystopia, because I am likely to be biased against these?

Sites change, you say. But if anything, most of the current Red Pen Wielders are the same ones who were already active back when I posted my own stories. It’s the same regulars, with their own likes and dislikes, and besides Altivo, I don’t remember any of us voicing a dislike of sex in stories.

As for why the topic sat untouched for months… well, for my part, it is mostly because erotica writers I tend to follow elsewhere are already well-known on their own (think Kyell Gold, K.M. Hirosaki, Toonces, … ), and the only two who weren’t, I mentioned in another post with the same initial purpose as this one. I'm even glad that the one I nominated who wasn’t a member ended up joining, even if only for a while. I would have added more names if I had found them, but I didn’t find any. Not because most stories I’ve read were full of sex, but because, sex or not, I’m generally pretty demanding when it comes to writing quality.
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